From: Azlan Adnan
Date: Apr 11, 2005 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [ProWaris] Digest Number 131
To: prowaris@yahoogroups.com
Before we launch into a splitting hairs type of debate about this
haram/markruh/halal issue, can someone provide the definitive *HUKUM*
on what constitutes these various states of edibility. Are these hukum
man-made? Does a committee of ulamaks sits down every so other and
define the parameters? or are the parameters absolute?
what are the penalties for breaking the hukums?
at the most fundamental level, we are what we eat, literally. Each
atom of food that gets digested because part of the nebulous, fuzzy
system we call our body. I say nebulous and fuzzy because we are
literally not the same person today a we were yesterday. We have shed
many skin cells, hair, exhaled carbon dioxide. we have eliminated
undigested cellulose and other such shit.
We cannot step into the same river twice.
~ Heracles
Also, what is the definition of MENGHAYALKAN? My hallucination is that
it means addiction. Which is a closed feedback loop. Like how about we
taste and swallow some of our own spunk? Is that a form of
cannibalism? Our drink human milk from your wife's breasts while she
suckling your offspring? Would the human colostrum be better that
bovine colostrum as in BioYoung? Or what about HUMAN placenta extracts
as in CLARINS anti orange peel cream. Or would you prefer instead to
eat hasima (FROG SALIVA - winter hibernation from cocoon) because it
has anti-whatever properties that you you skin as smooth as a frogs?
(Frogs have smooth moist skin, unlike toads.)
Or maybe if the reptile is MUSLIM like from Arab lands, a lizard
called DHAB ~ makes it HALAL. Then we can sapu the oil extracted from
the lemak of the DHAB SALAI (smoked) on our body for whatever ailments
those LEARNED and medically QUALIFIED (not!) street touts who ply at
Jalan Masjid India.
or maybe we can extract human pheremones from the lemak of human
cadavers to sapu on people we want to charm. Or maybe grave-digging
not much fun and too scary for you and you prefer to manufacture the
pheremones yourself in that temple you call your body. Just exude LOVE
and be IN FLOW and the pheremones (remember they have to be
complementary to the polarity of your intend victim) with be made. Or
maybe since you're in love even the kentot of your lover also wangi
and you can use that as air freshener!!! How about that?
Or maybe we can use some PORCINE derived immuno whatever in order to
save lives. Maybe the end DOES justify the MEANS. Politicians always
say that, BUT never the corrupt ones. They are HYPOcrites. They would
DO and THINK something but never admit they did it. Like RM20 million
or whatever in Gold Coast. or they may start in innocence but they
feel stupid they are not sapu-ing tanah or duit rakyat when all the
rest from top down are doing it. Esp the predecessor aka kelana Jaya
and Glomac and all those rumours that we keep hearing in taxis and on
the streets. people talk. people think. Are we going to let the
THOUGHT POLICE loose on them too?
I would LOVE to envision an empowering future where SMOKING is HARAM.
The tobacco lobby has managed to hoodwink world opinion for the past
50 years while making TONS of money. Look at BAT share prices!!!
There is even a conspiracy theory that claims the tobacco farmers
spray some chemicals MACAM PESTICIDE-type on the tobacco leaves so
that we become addicted to that type of tobacco. Of course, to be
COMPLETELY xenophobic, the chemicals are made by YEHUDI companies in
AMERIKA. Of course, you have the freedom of choice to not believe in
conspiracy theories and continue to ENJOY the FREEDOM of making
choices that will consequently lead to CANCER so that you pass the
BURDEN of paying for your MEDICAL BILL to the TAX-PAYER. After all,
ythe tobacco TAX is so high and there is TRANSPARENCY in our
government so that we can see that the MONEY - MILLIONS OF IT - is
used to fund cancer research at IMR or whatever.
Similarly, we can make handphones haram if we want to. Latest research
from FINLAND show that radio frequency (RF) energy from handphones
causes the brain temperature to rise, literally frying our brains. We
can choose to spend more research on this or we can live in DENIAL
like we did for the TOBACCO industry the past 50 years. The choice is
ours, as individuals and also as a collective voice. Hmmmm something
to think about...
Maybe the truth is also vague, like for example, uncertain as in
Heidelberg UNCERTAINTY principle. Maybe the truth is somewhere in
between, or within the electron cloud.
Or made in the sound of the human voice. You can tell from the voice
when politicians are lying through their teeth, can't you?
See http://www.newpara.com/Sharry_Edwards.htm
Hmmm Something to think about...
Of course my Utopia would probably be called AKALPIA where there are
no fossil fuels being used. Where the API can be determined daily by
leaving out an A4 sheet of paper and observing the dust that settles.
Where were don't have to get CLASSIFIED SECRETS like APIs. Where we
use our AKAL instead to NAFSU to guide us. Where there is no
pollution, like in the kampung where we can pluck rambutans and
pulasan and nyok and apples and pears and strawberries direct and
makan just like that. Where when we fly in our government chopper on
the land at 1000 ft we do not see the scars on the morphology of our
country. where we don't see the rivers bleeding with silt and
earthworks and open clearing like pimples or even kudis kudis
bernanah.
Our VIP cabinets ministers fly around on executive jets and choppers
and yet they are blind. perhaps they need to have their heads re-wired
so that they can see the TRUTH even as they stare it in the face. then
tak payah TERKEJUT. How come everybody else can see but not those who
have executive power. How come enforcement officers care so corrupt?
Like police so incompetent and bodoh and fucked UP. Hisap ROKOK all
day long perhaps. BAC 3061 sometime in 1975 in front of Soviet Union
embassy. okay lah that one only concerns me and my near death
experience. HOW ABOUT in the early 1970s. IGP kena assassinated. big
time case macam tu put cannot solve.
And want to delegate their Policing responsibility to NEIGHBOURHOOD
WATCH COMPANY run by retired police officers. So that they are given
the opportunity to earn DUIT HARAM or part time side income.
HEY, HELLO? It is the job of the police LAH. You got not enough
manpower YOU SAY?, got 18,000 jobless graduates lah. Cannot train them
to become ENFORCEMENT officers ah? or is that too big a cognitive leap
of faith for you to take?
Listen, YOU BETTER train these GRADUATES properly if you want them to
become effective, efficient and excellent enforcement officers. Your
rakyat are SCARED SHIT. We have Burmese, Bangla, Indians, Indos,
Koreans, Japanese, Vietnamese, Thai, Ukrainian, Mongolian etc in our
midst. Your ENFORCEMENT officers better know how to communicate and
interrogate and cross-examine in these languages besides taking down
reports and statements lah
The good news is that in AKALPIA our multi-racial, multi-cultural,
multi-lingual, multi-faith rakyat will become a poly-racial,
poly-cultural, poly-lingual, poly-faith rakyat and then a FUSION
CULTURE.
Like when I got back to KLIA on Friday last week, the first words that
greeted me at the x-ray machine after baggage collection were:
"HELLO, SIR! FLAT YOUR BAG PLEASE!"
Itu lah keep having vanity and patriotism and BAHASA MELAYU comes
first and nationalism mentally and hidup under your tempurong, itu lah
jadi.
The above is nothing but a hallucation as i am a certified sonambulist
who also wakes up in the still of the night to type gibberish and
wakes in the morning with no recollection of any of this.
MALAYSIA
ALAYSIAM
LAYSIAMA
AYSIAMAL
YSIAMALA
SIAMALAY <-- this is interesting and something to think about!
IAMALAYS
AMALAYSI
RAHMAN - Rahman
AHMANR - Abdul Razak
HMANRA - Hussein Onn
MANRAH - Mahathir
ANRAHM - Abdullah
NRAHMA - Najib
AKALPIA
KALPIAA
ALPIAAK
LPIAAKA
PIAAKAL
IAAKALP
AAKALPI
On 10 Apr 2005 11:43:26 -0000, prowaris@yahoogroups.com
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> There are 3 messages in this issue.
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> Topics in this digest:
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> 1. UNDERSTANDING DOGMA
> From: Azlan Adnan
> 2. Re: [PATRIOT] Apo cito? Kapal misteri di Pelabuhan Utara jadi tanda tanya
> From: WJ
> 3. Re: [PATRIOT] 4/9/2005 11:12:45 AM
> From: WJ
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 20:27:38 +0800
> From: Azlan Adnan
> Subject: UNDERSTANDING DOGMA
>
> dogma can only be thoroughly understood from a perspective OUTSIDE the
> dogmatic system
>
> you need to project a viewpoint from OUTSIDE the system and look AT
> the dogmatic system
>
> any body of dogma is merely a system of laws (or rules) that is
> self-consistent within the dogmatic system. In other words there is no
> one-to-one correspondence or one-to-one mapping.
>
> At the most fundamental level, THE MAP is not the TERRITORY. or
>
> IT IS ONLY A GUIDE or MODEL of the UNIVERSE
>
> questioning the dogmatic axioms are PROHIBITED (haram) from within the
> system as the axioms provide order and structure in a universe with an
> appearance of randomnesss and entropy
>
> as such, the GUIDE will be SILENT on many issues because it consists
> of a finite number of elements WHERE ELSE the UNIVERSE is INFINITE
>
> this is a useful tool for examining any body of dogma, ISLAM, Roman
> Catholic Church, Fascism. whatever
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 01:41:16 +0800
> From: WJ
> Subject: Re: [PATRIOT] Apo cito? Kapal misteri di Pelabuhan Utara jadi tanda tanya
>
> Usul ucapan dasar Ketua Pergerakan Puteri Umno
>
> Pencadang : Naib Ketua Pergerakan Puteri Umno, Noraini Ahmad
> Penyokong : Setiausaha Pergerakan Puteri Umno, Bibi Sharliza Mohd Khalid
>
> 1. MENGAKUI akan kejayaan Ketua Puteri Umno memimpin Pergerakan Puteri
> Umno dengan nilai kepimpinan tersohor sehingga Puteri diperakui
> sebagai sayap Umno yang dapat memberi sumbangan bermakna terhadap
> perjuangan demi agama, bangsa dan negara.
>
> 2. MENGINSAFI bahawa kepemimpinan pergerakan Puteri harus meneruskan
> dan mempertingkatkan daya juang, daya saing dan daya tahan yang tinggi
> di kalangan ahli Puteri bagi memastikan kecemerlangan pergerakan
> Puteri Umno dan wanita Melayu muda amnya.
>
> 3. MENYEDARI bahawa budaya negatif dalam Umno seperti politik wang dan
> kempen kurang sihat semasa pemilihan haruslah ditolak demi memelihara
> martabat, integriti serta keutuhan Puteri dan Umno secara
> keseluruhannya.
>
> 4. MENYEDARI akan kepentingan perpaduan sebagai agenda terpenting
> pergerakan supaya dapat memastikan kewibawaan dan kesinambungan
> perjuangan Puteri Umno.
>
> Maka Perhimpunan Agung Pergerakan Puteri Umno yang bersidang pada 22
> September mengambil ketetapan:
>
> 1. MERAKAMKAN setinggi penghargaan dan terima kasih kepada Ketua
> Pergerakan Puteri Umno di atas iltizam dan usaha beliau membawa
> pergerakan ini ke arah pencapaian yang diiktiraf dan disegani.
>
> 2. MENGHARGAI dan menyokong ucapan dasar Ketua Puteri Umno atas
> komitmen beliau dalam usaha memantapkan pergerakan dan memperjuangkan
> kepentingan golongan wanita Melayu muda.
>
> 3. MENYAHUT cabaran dalam usaha membentuk perpaduan yang sejati.
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 01:47:38 +0800
> From: WJ
> Subject: Re: [PATRIOT] 4/9/2005 11:12:45 AM
>
> We can try....
>
> On Apr 9, 2005 1:23 PM, Sabrina
> >
> > hi wan jo,
> >
> > definitely we can assist in setting up the lab....or else we can divert all
> > the analysis work to our lab here in Kulim (BioSTAQ Centre)...we already
> > have all the facilities. i just concern on budget.if let say JAKIM have
> > their own budget for the lab then should be fine.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: WM Jauhari
> > To: prowaris@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 11:22 AM
> > Subject: [ProWaris] [PATRIOT] 4/9/2005 11:12:45 AM
> >
> >
> > Sabrina, what you think? Can we assist JAKIM on setting up their labs?
> > Utusan Malaysia Online - Muka Hadapan: "Jakim rancang bina makmal sendiri
> > kaji jenis makanan halal
> >
> >
> > SHAH ALAM 8 April - Jabatan Kemajuan Islam Malaysia (Jakim) merancang
> > membina makmalnya sendiri supaya dapat membuat pemeriksaan dan kajian
> > mengenai pelbagai jenis makanan dan produk halal dengan lebih cepat.
> >
> >
> > Ketua Pengarah Jakim, Datuk Mustafa Abdul Rahman berkata, permohonan bagi
> > membina makmal itu telah dihantar kepada kerajaan dan kemungkinan besar akan
> > dimasukkan ke dalam Rancangan Malaysia Ke-9.
> >
> >
> > ``Kita memang dalam perancangan membina makmal pemeriksaan produk dan
> > makanan halal berharga kira-kira RM40 juta.
> >
> >
> > ``Jakim sedang mencari tapak yang sesuai di Selangor bagi pembinaannya.
> > Makmal itu akan membolehkan kita menjalankan pemeriksaan barangan atau
> > makanan halal dengan cepat.
> >
> >
> > ``Bagaimanapun ia bergantung kepada kerajaan sama ada meluluskannya atau
> > tidak,'' katanya.
> >
> >
> > Beliau menyatakan demikian kepada pemberita selepas Majlis Perasmian
> > Persidangan Ketua-Ketua Jabatan Majlis Agama Islam Negeri Seluruh Malaysia
> > Kali Ke-67 di sini, hari ini. Majlis itu dirasmikan oleh Menteri Besar
> > Selangor, Datuk Seri Dr. Mohamad Khir Toyo.
> >
> >
> > Menurut Mustafa, pada masa ini Jakim menggunakan khidmat Jabatan Kimia,
> > Mardi dan universiti-universiti tempatan bagi menjalankan pemeriksaan produk
> > dan makanan halal.
> >
> >
> > Jelas beliau, keadaan itu sedikit sebanyak menjejaskan kepantasan pihaknya
> > untuk mendapat keputusan pemeriksaan lanjut yang dibuat ke atas produk atau
> > makanan halal yang dilaporkan kepada Jakim.
> >
> >
> > Kata beliau, selain membina makmal, pihaknya juga memohon kepada kerajaan
> > untuk melatih kakitangannya supaya menjadi pakar dalam bidang kajian makanan
> > dan produk halal."
> >
> > --
> > Posted by WM Jauhari to PATRIOT at 4/9/2005 11:12:45 AM
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